Hill & Smith 1906 trigger plate action

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David Ryder 107
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Hill & Smith 1906 trigger plate action

Post by David Ryder 107 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:26 pm

Last week I picked up a Watson Bros trigger plate action ejector serial no 7181 which I have traced to 1908.

A little online detective work uncovered a Watson Bros .450/400 3 1/4” nitro express unsold at Holt’s in 2011 described as a Hill & Smith 1906 patent. However, the Hill & Smith information on this site has no detail of this patent.

Does anyone have any further information to add

Many thanks

David Ryder

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Re: Hill & Smith 1906 trigger plate action

Post by David Ryder 107 » Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:28 pm

Correction:

I made the error of assuming that the database entry for Hill & Smith was the business to which the patent was connected.

I have since found that there is information under the database entry for R Hill.

Still any further information would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Hill & Smith 1906 trigger plate action

Post by trw999 » Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:27 pm

David, Crudgington & Baker should be the go-to source for this information and indeed, they cover two patents for Richard Hill & John V Smith related to trigger plate actions, one in 1906 and another in 1908.

My suspicion would be that your gun has the 1908 patent, No 19,102 of that year, since C&B mention that they are aware of only one example of the 1906 patent.

Tim

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Re: Hill & Smith 1906 trigger plate action

Post by David Ryder 107 » Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:20 pm

Many thanks Tim.

I can confirm that this is patent 28188. The rifle mentioned above is described as patent 29188 and patent use no 6. This shotgun I have acquired has no use number on the visible surfaces, I am yet to get the urge to strip it down.

David

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Re: Hill & Smith 1906 trigger plate action

Post by trw999 » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:59 am

That would seem to make your Watson a rare example, David.

C&B say that the action is a re-design of a hammerless gun to allow it to be stocked with a wooden 'sheath' in the style of a bar in the wood or wood bar gun. They write that this is possible by the use of a trigger plate action cocked by rods. There was apparently a long and favourable write-up of this patent in the Sporting Goods Review of 15 April 1907. You can access a copy at the British Library.

Finally, C&B write that 'A gun of this design is known with the detachable lockwork of the 1909 patent, marked Simplex Demountable on the tang of the trigger guard.' I'm wondering is that 1909 should read 1908?

A quick search of Simplex Demountable with relation to firearms only references the Bergmann Simplex handgun of the same period.

Tim

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