Vickers Rifles .242 .318 .404 Survey

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Alan David 60
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Vickers Rifles .242 .318 .404 Survey

Post by Alan David 60 » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:40 am

I am interested in the bolt action center fire sporting rifles made by Vickers and from 1927 Vickers Armstrong, between the wars.
The three main calibers offered would appear to be .242, .318 and .404. However, there may have been other calibers offered such as .30/06.

I am building up a data base of serial numbers to try to estimate the total number of these sporting bolt action rifles that Vickers marketed. I have read that the actions were made by DWM the rest of the rifle being completed by the trade rather than Vickers.

Therefore if you have a Vickers sporting bolt action rifle, please post the details here, any photos showing proof marks especially appreciated. Many thanks.

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AlanD
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John 39
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Re: Vickers Rifles .242 .318 .404 Survey

Post by John 39 » Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:28 pm

Just checked the archived forum, sorry to see you didn't get any replies in June 2008, hope you have better luck this time. Incidentally, I think you must have emailed me because I put the email up as a post.

You can search the archived forum by selecting it on the main menu and clicking on Rifles. If you then scroll down to the bottom you will get to the filter, enter Vickers in the Keywords Text box. The second result on the .404 may be of interest to you.

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Re: Vickers Rifles .242 .318 .404 Survey

Post by James M. Warren 374 » Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:42 pm

Have just aquired a Cogswell & Harrison, Ltd. marked .242 Vickers sporting rifle.
The barrel is engraved ".242 Express" and from the "Cogswell & Harrison, Ltd" marking it would seem to date on or after 1932 (when the name was changed to "Ltd.").

Serial number is 4017 which does not appear in Cogswell & Harrison records, likely a Vickers-Armstrong serial number?

These are sellers pictures, I will have better ones after I take possession.
I will remove the stock to see if there are any Vickers markings under the wood.

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Alan David 60
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Re: Vickers Rifles .242 .318 .404 Survey

Post by Alan David 60 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:47 am

The rifle has London proof marks which I would expect to see on a Vickers rifle. It has a four digit serial number which again I would expect to see, on a Vickers rifle.
I have only personally examined one Vickers branded - I say branded as they did not actually make them as such – rifle, and this was years ago before I was really interested in them. So I do not know for sure if they hand engraved the serial number on the trigger guard. This seems to be something a gunmaker/ retailer would do if they wanted to apply their own stock or serial number to the rifle, such as Wilkinson’s and other firms. I am not sure Vickers would need to do this as they were more of a wholesaler and manufacturer, selling guns to the trade.
If Vickers did sell the rifle I would have thought it would have “.242 Vickers” marketed as the calibre rather than the more generic “.242 Express”.
The marking of Cogswell & Harrison’s name and address on the barrel would seem to imply it went through their hands. The address indicating sometime between 1932 and 1939, so within the Vickers rifle production of 1920 to 1940. However, I do not see Cogswell’s buying off Vickers as they were selling a lot more centre fire sporting rifles than Vickers ever did.
Its interesting that Cogswell say they used a five digit serial number and not a four digit number. I have been keeping a data base of the brass one inch signal pistols made in the Great War by the trade, including, W.W. Greener, Webley & Scott, Chubb, Wolseley and Cogswell & Harrison. All of them started at S/N 1, except C&H who started at 50,001 for some unknown reason!

So there are more questions than answers really, lets hope some new information comes along one day.

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