Can anyone help me with a piece of local history

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Dave Robinson 489
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Can anyone help me with a piece of local history

Post by Dave Robinson 489 » Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:14 pm

I bought this SxS at auction, to be honest its a bit of a dog at the moment but I believe their is hope for it even though its not a lot of value.

What I do know.

Its an English side by side in 12 gauge
Choked and cylinder
'made' by W.G. Richardson of Barnard Castle
Its a bit off face
It needs sorting ;-)

I checked the database and it indicates a maker from Kent originally but Barnard Castle is a bit of home to me so as it cost nothing I picked it up with the intention of sorting it out as a project and hope to restore it to decent serviceable life.

I have done a bit of stock work before and can rechequer it and restore the woodwork easily. fortunately I also have access to a EDM machining, lathes and mills etc so I was thinking maybe I can replace the hinge pin by EDMing the hinge hole at the same time as doing the hook if I jig it all correctly. I also have a local gunsmith who might check it over before I was thinking of sending it for re proof.

I know its not worth a lot, but the amount of knowledge and history makes this a challenge.

What do you think of the shotgun?

Richardsons likely bought this 'in the white' and basically badged it so who and where did the original action come from?

Will the hinge pin press out?

Im making up some 'turn screws' to prevent further damage to some of the already damaged heads, some of which will need replacing

What can anyone tell me about Richardsons and where he got the actions from and is it feasible to replace the pin or will I need to repair the hook?

Thanks in advance DR
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Re: Can anyone help me with a piece of local history

Post by Allen Peterson 44 » Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:44 am

I no nothing about the maker but I think it was Nitro proofed in Birmingham post 1904. pretty good quality (not through lumps). would a little buildup by welding the hook be sufficient to put it back on face or will a total rejointing be required? looks like a worthy project.

Dave Robinson 489
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Re: Can anyone help me with a piece of local history

Post by Dave Robinson 489 » Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:58 am

I might get away with TIGing the hook but I would like to try to replace the pin... don't know yet Ill wait and see what transpires when I strip it down. I worked out its a post 1904 proof but checking in the top corner their is a worn symbol like a cross with bars with the letter s above.... this might mean the proof date was as late as 1937/38..... or I could be completely wrong :-)

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Re: Can anyone help me with a piece of local history

Post by John 39 » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:10 pm

Definitely a Birmingham trade maker, maybe Holloway. Richardson was only ever a retailer.

Some pins were screwed in but this should push out either to the left or the right.

If you have to, you might be able to lengthen the front lump by a thou or three by hammering it on the sides.

The gun is not worth much. Guns off the face still work, you probably won't be using this much, why not just tidy it up and use it?

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Re: Can anyone help me with a piece of local history

Post by Dave Robinson 489 » Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:47 pm

Call it my OCD but I would rather tinker with it to get it perfect. Well perfect to me. In all honesty I have time and tools and it ‘eats no meat’ so why not sort it properly. I have other shotguns to shoot so I might just take my time and enjoy the satisfaction of actually doing the job. Thanks for the input so far :-)

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Re: Can anyone help me with a piece of local history

Post by John 39 » Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:58 am

Under the barrels just in front of the serial number are a couple of letters the first being H, can you read the other?

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Re: Can anyone help me with a piece of local history

Post by Dave Robinson 489 » Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:31 pm

If it was upside down it would read LH. The ‘right’way up
It doesn’t look like any letter. Is their a clue their??? Thanks

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Re: Can anyone help me with a piece of local history

Post by trw999 » Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:31 pm

I read that as LH. It will be the initials of the barrel maker. It will not point you in any other direction than letting you know who struck up the barrels, but it's a nice bit of additional provenance to add to the gun.

I've now got to spend 30 mins looking for likely barrel makers from that era in Birmingham in my records!

Tim

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